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Local Businesses Feel The Impact Of Fewer Legal Foreign Temporary Workers Save Email Print
Posted: 5:14 PM May 1, 2008
Last Updated: 8:45 PM May 1, 2008
Reporter: Dave Jordan

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Many seasonal small businesses across eastern Carolina, like the rest of the country, say they face the possibility of closing this summer. It's all due to a change in a legal way those businesses were allowed to hire temporary foreign workers.

Some of those businesses, like Grandy Farm Market in Currituck County, haven't even opened their doors yet this season because of it. Colin Grandy's business of 21 years sits empty as he waits for those workers. They come here on temporary worker permits known as H2B visas, after passing a criminal background check. This year...no workers.

Whitecap Linen in Columbia in Tyrrell County, which services many of the Outer Banks hotels and cottages, is in the same boat. Whitecap Linen General Manager Rick Foister says, "This year we had requested for them to come in the first of April. As it stands right now we won't be getting any of those employees."

Here's the problem. The U.S. Grants 66,000 of the H2B visas a year. They go to the states that need the workers first. This year the visas are already gone. There had been an exemption for temporary workers who had been here before, meaning they did not count against that cap, and could return to where they previously worked. That exemption has expired and Congress has not renewed it. Those who rely on the workers say Hispanic lawmakers are blocking a vote on the legislation, as they push for immigration reform, including amnesty for people here illegally. The Congressional Hispanic Caucus, representing those lawmakers, argues such visa programs protect the employer, at the expense of the worker.

Sherri Carawan of Mattamuskeet Seafood in Hyde County fears her business will close if there is no resolution. She has been lobbying Congress to take action. She told lawmakers, "You're alseep now, but you wait until May and June when all the summer peak load businesses are scrambling to hold onto their businesses then and then you're going to wake-up."

While the H2B program is a legal way for foreigners to come to the United States to work those temporary jobs and then return home, there are those who are against the visas altogether. Critics argue they take jobs away from Americans, and if employers paid more, Americans would take them.

The employers who rely on H2B workers say the wages are set by the Employment Security Commission and that they are largely low-wage, low-skilled jobs that are only going to pay so much. They say it's kind of a catch-22. They could pay more, but that cost would then be passed onto consumers who may not buy those goods and services.

As for hiring locally, Whitecap Linen has a sign in front of its business but is having no luck. Foister says, "The people that we find that come to put in applications, they just don't stay at the job. They will work a few hours, maybe they'll work a day and we don't see em back again." Carawan says she can't find any workers either for the temporary jobs.

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Posted by: BIG J Location: SNOWHILL on May 7, 2008 at 04:46 PM
Pay some money,,,you will get people to do the work.

Posted by: Anonymous on May 6, 2008 at 11:00 PM
To Winterville, these people should stay here only if they are legal. Otherwise they should go back where they came from. You should calm down and stop shouting at other people that have the right to say what they feel without you calling them names. wow, what a temper.

Posted by: Anonymous Location: Winterville on May 6, 2008 at 09:28 PM
GET REAL AMERICA - THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT TAKING JOBS AWAY FROM ANYONE BECAUSE THERE ARENT ANY AMERICANS APPLYING FOR THESE JOBS!!!!!!! GET OFF YOUR HIGH SOAP BOX - ALLOW THESE PEOPLE TO PAY THEIR TAXES AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE TAX BASE OF PITT CO.. AND BY THE WAY - WHERE IS ALL THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CHRISTIAN LOVE - YOU ALL ARE HYPOCRITIES........... SEE YOU AT THE SEX SHOPS AND ABC STORES...........JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED

Editor's Note: Please type all posts in upper and lower cases. No SHOUTING please.


Posted by: Anonymous on May 6, 2008 at 10:55 AM
YOU know all of these school aged kids and sorry folks who sit home a mooch off of welfare should be given these jobs over the ILLEGALS who are brought over to do these jobs. If they are "jobs no one wants" persay then MAKE the people on welfare get off their sorry A**es and do these jobs instead of having to bring in ILLEGALS... Maybe our next prez will do that NOT!!!

Posted by: chris Location: greenville on May 6, 2008 at 07:35 AM
Oh, no they have no legal migrant workers. American businesses that hire migrant workers should have their license stripped from them. What is the Employment Security Commission's purpose? American workers should have the first shot at American jobs. Where has our work ethic gone?Able body people on welfare should be made to take these jobs or lose benefits. It just saddens me that our great nation does nothing to stop this injustice, they encourage this stupidity. In the effort to be sensitive to the "Latino Americans" HA , what a crock.

Posted by: AS Location: NC on May 5, 2008 at 04:24 PM
Did you forget we have school children that need jobs and they are legel. Why is it so important to hire illegals when our children need summer jobs. Do you just not want to support our own? What is the problem????

Posted by: american Location: va on May 5, 2008 at 12:18 PM
pay more money

Posted by: just curious Location: nc on May 5, 2008 at 10:10 AM
HMMM summer jobs. School age kids needing summer work. Thats an idea. Why do all of these companies think they need these ILLEGALS to do summer work?

Posted by: joe six pack Location: williamston on May 3, 2008 at 06:37 PM
I think most Americans would not object to the temporary worker idea accept that it's not temporary. They come here and never leave. We (the tax payers) are paying for their medical expenses and other social services as well as providing bilingual teachers and forcing our children to learn Spanish. Do you enjoy having to listen and look at Spanish subtitle's with everything? Exactly how bad does it have to get before elected leaders who have sold us out time and again with their liberal immigration policies acknowledge the problem. We need to harshly fine all buisness's that knowingly hire illegals. We need tight regulations on guest worker programs and a strict enforcment of how long they stay here.

Posted by: john Location: nashville on May 3, 2008 at 01:03 PM
ok witn i posted again can you tell me why yall will not post my post.last time you said yall could not find a post under john so i have posted again.

Posted by: john Location: nashville on May 3, 2008 at 11:33 AM
i said they only want to be able to buy 5 cars 3 boats 2 beach houses if they werent so greedy they could pay higher wages.

Posted by: Someone who knows Location: NC on May 2, 2008 at 06:26 PM
"You're absolutely right about the fact that H2Bs do sometimes flee the H2B employer & do not return home to Mexico. Most don't." That should have been "must don't flee" Most in the program do return, and continue to stay enlisted in the program yr after yr. Sorry. I didn't catch that I'd left out the one word until after I reread it.

Posted by: john Location: nashville on May 2, 2008 at 05:43 PM
witn can you tell me why my post didnt show up?

Editor's Note: I searched for the name John to see why your comment did not show up. What name did you post under?


Posted by: someone who knows Location: NC on May 2, 2008 at 04:43 PM
You know one more thing I'd like to point out. WITN said "they are largely low-wage, low-skilled jobs that are only going to pay so much". They are also largely seasonal, temporary jobs. Which is another reason that Americans won't take them. We are not talking about steady, year-round jobs here. The beaches are driven by seasonal tourism & need their workers for then. The seafood dealers busy season only lasts for a few months. And H2Bs are also highly utilized in landscaping businesses, which is busiest in the warm months.

Posted by: someone who knows Location: NC on May 2, 2008 at 04:34 PM
"But the loop hole is some never return back to Mexico." Brian, I wouldn't call it a loophole, but it is a problem that exists. You're absolutely right about the fact that H2Bs do sometimes flee the H2B employer & do not return home to Mexico. Most don't. Most return every yr, for yrs & yrs. They're not prisoners, nor are they kept under lock & key. Some do become illegal renegades. But, at that point, they can no longer be considered legal, tax-paying H2B workers, can they? They become illegal immigrants. They can't work for H2B employers, at that point..that's the last place they would want to work..an employer being highly monitored. They run to businesses that illegally employ them. Those are the employers that should be thrown under the bus, in my opinion. I wholeheartedly feel, illegal immigrants should not be allowed to stay here, period. I don't think it's ok, for a business to employ an illegal. And I certainly resent supporting them in any way, for the record.

Posted by: Anonymous on May 2, 2008 at 04:06 PM
Quote from Someone who knows.."They're checked for disease, fingerprinted, criminal bkgrd checked, & monitored/tracked, once here. They're req. to return. It's a strict, regulated program & a yr long appl. process" But the loop hole is some never return back to Mexico. What the were able to do was stay beyond the time limit, go home when they wanted usually 1 month before they are wanted here legally again to work. Check point is not strict going home, but they run across problem coming back without papers. Trust me I know,I have first hand exprience in this. Lot's of folks get lost in the shuffle, to worried/scared to go back. Lot's end up working under the table wages or end up running their own business set up by guess who, us the people who bring them. I can point fingers, but won't. We as Americans are in very dire straights. We need to stand up and take back our jobs and take control of the ecomony and provide for ourselves and create new jobs here in Beaufort Co. and NC and USA

Editor's Note: This is Brian's other post. I couldn't post it as it was because he put his e-mail address in the name box and I don't think it was his intention to do so.


Posted by: Brian Location: Bath on May 2, 2008 at 03:53 PM
BTW, WITN I don't think I filled in name on last post. Also, I have to say this story along with the ones coming from Va/Md etc about this topic all seem to be biased. There is no insight to the industries mentioned. Folks have been picking crabs for decades, way before H2b visas were used. The influx of visas was started some time back in early 90's. At that time, there was plenty of crabs/fish/shrimp/oysters right from our own state. I can go on and on about the history of this.

Posted by: A person who cares Location: Williamston on May 2, 2008 at 02:38 PM
I am a black American and I say to the people of concern that the illegals that are here, they are helping us with these hard worked jobs and I enjoy seeing them everyday, their not killing,raping,stealing, but the only law they are breaking is making a living and trying to provide for their family like every other person in AMERICA this land is said to be the land of the free give these people a chance the've helped this country so far don't go and hurt it. What I mean by that is if BLACK,WHITE,AMERICANS IN GENERAL wont work these jobs that we need worked so desparatly let them do them and provide for theirs and for our country, all in all I say the ones that are here now have not hurt the country so far, spend less money and let them stay they have friends and family that are Americans that love them. Stop the hate because we need them like a fruit or flower to a bee, if the bee was not there to pollinate the flower would reproduce the next season. The plants need the bee to reproduce

Posted by: someone who knows Location: NC on May 2, 2008 at 01:07 PM
"what happen to the good'odays when we didnt have all these temporary foreign workers" Americans won't work those jobs anymore. They could if they wished, & we'd have no need for H2Bs. H2B is a program providing temp. foreign workers, to employers, who don't have enough labor. These employers, BY LAW, must publically advertise those very jobs, to Americans, first. Every job filled by an H2B, is advertised in the local newspaper, & at ESC, first. An employer can only request H2Bs for the positions they prove they are unable to fill, with Americans. ESC sets wages (same as Amer. earn for it). H2Bs are legal & temporary. They're checked for disease, fingerprinted, criminal bkgrd checked, & monitored/tracked, once here. They're req. to return. It's a strict, regulated program & a yr long appl. process. The employer provides inspected temp housing, meeting guideline stds. Those stds dictate # in a dwelling, and good conditions, far better than most Amer. in poverty here. Clearer now?

Posted by: william b koonce jr Location: grifton nc on May 2, 2008 at 12:58 PM
you either purposely didn't mention the pay these companies were offering or just scared to do so. but the most offensive part of your report is the latino politicians forming a political latino labor union in the state legislature especially when you are always extremely biased against american labor unions. i'm a 50 year old electrician with 30 years experience that can't get a job because employers would rather pay younger way-less experienced latino's,at the same or higher than what the pay americans. AND YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO ADVOCATE FOREIGN LABORERS OVER AMERICAN CITIZENS AND WORST OF ALL NOT SPEAKING OUT AGAINST A POLITICAL LATINO LABOR UNION WITHIN OUR OWN STATE GOVERNMENT. how hipocritical can all of you be not to mention unpatriotic. you truly should be ashamed. EDITOR'S NOTE: Our story did not advocate what should be done...it just stated the facts about the situation. Low wages mean mimimum wage or slightly above. It is also the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, not the state legislature.

Posted by: someone who knows Location: NC on May 2, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Last night, I made a post that WITN wouldn't publish, citing that I was "calling out", "flaming" & "used a word that was not appropriate for our standards". I strongly disagree with their perception of the post, but they have the right to their interpretion/censorship of whatever they choose. They "urge(me)to try & repost again, if you'd like". Well, I would like. I hope they publish it, this time. WITN's article is very important, as it brings up the topic of H2Bs, which is something most living here, know little/0 about. I feel some posters, have misunderstood what this article is supposed to be about, & turned it into a comm. fisherman vs seafood dealers thread. Or an illegal immigration thread. Both are valid topics, but not THE topic. If you want to gab about them, go ahead. What I'm going to repost is about H2Bs. I feel NC residents, concerned about illegal immigration, would benefit from knowing more about H2Bs. I'd like to fill you in, on what WITN left out, next post.

Posted by: someone who knows Location: NC on May 2, 2008 at 11:57 AM
DL, I couldn't agree with you more.

Posted by: someone who knows Location: NC on May 2, 2008 at 11:54 AM
"maybe next time he or she might use the name i think i know !!!" Kingfisher, I seriously doubt, I'm who you think I am. I am not about to publish my name, on the internet. I'll gladly share that I am not a comm. fisherman. I am not a seafood dealer. I am a stay at home mother. I am a native. I was born/bred in eastern NC. I left for an education, & once married, I returned, because I chose to raise a family here. This is my home & it is my children's home. I have no plans, to ever leave again. Even if my children leave, this will always be their home. I am up to speed on this topic, because I've made it my business to be. I stay on top of what happens here, to "my home" & "my people". Illegal immigrants in NC are a great personal concern. Like most natives, I am related to, or know, many commercial fisherman & farmers. What native doesn't/isn't? I don't have to be one of them myself, "to know". It's my heritage. I'm proud of it. It's my children's heritage.

Posted by: someone who knows Location: NC on May 2, 2008 at 11:10 AM
America's supply/demand system is great, but it stinks for the "supply" end. The first link in the chain of goods, doesn't receive what they DESERVE. The price pd, by the end consumer, represents many, many links in the chain. Comm. fishermen (THE supply/first link) have THE deadliest U.S. job, & deserve more. So do constr. workers, loggers & farmers. But, end consumers demand to pay as little as possible, for goods, at the end of the chain. It's a catch-22. You have a right to be mad. It's unfair. You resent the middle of the chain, because it provides your direct compensation, but ultimately the selfish end consumer deserves your anger. They provide demand/set price & dictate it to the middle. They are your real bandit. They are also the source of your other related problem: a market flooded w/ cheap,foreign seafood. Their product is inferior, but Americans want cheaper. It's a bad situation & stinks for you, I agree. But, blame the right part of the chain, is all what I'm saying.

Posted by: DL Location: Eastern, NC on May 2, 2008 at 07:19 AM
If locals would work the jobs, we wouldn't have to worry about immigrants, legal or illegal. "The people that we find that come to put in applications, they just don't stay at the job. They will work a few hours, maybe they'll work a day and we don't see em back again." There-in lies the problem. As a former resident of Columbia, I've seen the lazy leaches of society who would rather sit at home, watch soap operas, pop out one illegitimate baby after another, and live off the taxpayers hard-earned money instead of holding a job like the rest of us and supporting our own. Take away the welfare crutch from these people, force them to work or face starvation and homelessness, and there would be no jobs available for immigrants, nor would businesses have to shut their doors due to a lack of labor.

Posted by: michael Location: williamston on May 2, 2008 at 07:07 AM
make the ones that are drawing a free check get out and work then the employers can pay the state the wages to help offset the cost of the free check

Posted by: kingfisher on May 2, 2008 at 02:59 AM
You go Bandanaman247 !!! maybe somebody that knows sould chane there name 2 someone who thinks they know .there alot of seafood that dont stay here in NC , The pickin houses are the ones who stole the crabs all these years from the crabber now theyre paying the price ..thanks to the live market the crabbers can make more money . maybe next time he or she might use the name i think i know !!! u go boy im one thats with you

Posted by: Brian Location: Bath on May 1, 2008 at 11:28 PM
I hate to say it, it was bound and time to come. I hated to see crab picking houses virtually run away the local women by using at the time cheaper labor(Mexican)(not nesacarily better)There is more to the picking houses going out of business not related to labor. In fact, live market dictates the standard along with high importation of foreign meat that the locals have to compete agaisnt. Compete all within really about 3 months time vs years ago 10 to 12 months. I have seen a large picking house in Blehaven have 100 women and didn't have enough crabs any given day to work 8 hours for the length of the visa permits. WITN I don't think you did enough background work either or ask the right questions to the right people. I can tell you you didn't look hard enough, they have women/men to work but not here legally. Just a covered up loop hole in the system. All I can say to the employers.....don't be so nit picky and pay fair wages.

Posted by: jay Location: rocky mount on May 1, 2008 at 11:14 PM
i dont want to hear it .they just want lower paid workers so they can ride around in the 3 bmws they have .and the 3 boats they have. and their places at the beach they have. dont give me excuses .

Posted by: someone who knows on May 1, 2008 at 10:26 PM
"You were "flaming" or calling someone out and also used a word that was not appropriate for our standards." Dear Editor, I didn't "flame" anyone. Did I "call someone out"? If respectfully disagreeing with someone, is doing that, I'm guilty. As far as the "word that was not appropriate for our standards": I have no idea, what you are referring to. I'm not playing dumb. I used no profanity or foul language. I didn't call anyone any type of ugly name. I cannot believe you censored that entire post. It was important, relevant information, that people should be made aware of. So be it. I have no choice. You're the powers that be here, and obviously control what you wish to be published here. You could have removed a portion of the post. Instead, you failed to publish the entire thing. It make no sense to me, why you'd do that, unless you wanted to censor the valuable information I was providing. The vast majority was public "FYI" & totally unpersonally directive. Editors comment: "Flaming" is the same as calling someone out. I urge you to try and repost again if you'd like. There are several editors that monitor these comments, and if one is rejected all of us honor that editors decision.

Posted by: Bandanaman247 on May 1, 2008 at 10:10 PM
No I dont have a truck to carry my seafood to maryland.the dealers I deal with come gets it and as for what I do I have 7 head that works for me and i dont have to worry cause i pay them NOMATTER if I get mine or not...Thanks for asking

Posted by: someone who knows. on May 1, 2008 at 09:33 PM
I've read the rules & wish to abide by them. But, I honestly cannot grasp which one of the rules it didn't fit. Can you clue me in? I like to be heard & have my comments submitted, but with all due respect, I can't edit & resubmit it properly, if you don't tell me specifically, what the problem was. Thank you. Editors comment: You were "flaming" or calling someone out and also used a word that was not appropriate for our standards.

Posted by: someone who knows on May 1, 2008 at 09:21 PM
WITN...What happened to my 2nd post? Editor's comment: It may have been rejected because it didn't fit our rules

Posted by: Anonymous on May 1, 2008 at 09:11 PM
"If they wasnt so tight and pay like they sould they might could get some help...booo whoooo" Go back and read the article Bandanaman. It states: "The employers who rely on H2B workers say the wages are set by the Employment Security Commission and that they are largely low-wage, low-skilled jobs that are only going to pay so much. They say it's kind of a catch-22. They could pay more, but that cost would then be passed onto consumers who may not buy those goods and services." WITN, Tracie & Jane are all right. I'm sure Jane, the American, would love it, if her H2B employer paid her more, but she also realizes that it would be at a price, that she (& we) would have to pay, for that to happen. If these companies paid more, to attract more American workers & be less reliant on H2Bs, then they would have to charge more for their goods/services. The effect ripples up the chain, just like high gas prices have driven everything under the sun up. Be careful what you wish for!

Posted by: someone who knows Location: NC on May 1, 2008 at 08:52 PM
Bandanaman: You asked what happened to "the good ole days" when we didn't have all these temporary foreign workers?Americans won't work those jobs anymore, but we don't want to pay more for stuff either (prices would rise, if that pay is increased). H2B workers can't be obtained, for jobs that Americans will take. It's the law. H2B jobs are NOT stolen from American workers. The law requires every employer that applies for an H2B, to first publically advertise the job, to Americans. They are granted H2Bs, when Americans decline to fill that advert. position. It's a strict, regulated process, and a long one at that, for an employer to obtain H2Bs. Yes, there are illegals working in America & their butt needs to go, because they only hurt us. But, H2Bs ARE legal AND temporarily here. They have criminal bkgrd cks, are fingerprinted, are tested for disease,& are monitored & tracked. Every foreign worker you see, is not an illegal. Y'all have any idea how many industries employ H2Bs? Tons.

Posted by: someone who knows Location: NC on May 1, 2008 at 07:33 PM
Bandanaman247: In another thread, you stated that you are a commercial fisherman. Your "heart just bleeds for these people" huh? Well, last time I checked, "those people", are the people you sell your seafood to! If they go under, what do you plan to do? Drive your crabs, shrimp, oysters or fish to Maryland, and sell them on the National Seafood Exchange yourself, instead of to your local seafood wholesaler & processor, who does that for you? Maybe you plan adding "salesman" to your resume, and getting yourself a truck & selling to all the restaurants & retail seafood markets yourself? Do tell what your plans are, if they go out of business. I'd LOVE to hear it. Your statements are ridiculously foolish, considering your professional line of work depends upon them.

Posted by: jane Location: bath on May 1, 2008 at 06:29 PM
well they are not issuing visas for nc, but how about the workers that are americans and work at the jobs also, the companys cant open up because they dont have enough workers with out them, i guess all those people will loose there jobs too. and then the unemployment rate will realy be high. yes i beleave the illiagals should not be here and it seems like they are punishing employers that go and do every thing right bringing legal people in.the jobs they bring the people in for no body wants or will not do, i work at one of these places for almost 28 yrs. no one wants them.they are really hurting the economy even more, if a company can open this yr. they will have to raise the price of their goods they produce because of the higher wages our people will not work for.

Posted by: Tracie Rockefeller Location: Richlands on May 1, 2008 at 06:12 PM
It's amazing to me how these workers are talked about like posessions rather than people. Americans complain that "Mexicans" and other races are stealing american jobs yet look at these jobs that noone wants. Noone wants them because the jobs aren't up to "Americans" standards. So much for them stealing "our" jobs. Noone wants these lousy jobs! I say if people want to come to the United States for a better life and want to work, let them. Who are we to say "get out!" After all the only true Americans were American Indians so long ago. Thanks for listening.

Posted by: Bandanaman247 Location: Pamlico Beach on May 1, 2008 at 06:07 PM
My heart just bleeds for these people..what happen to the good'odays when we didnt have all these temporary foreign workers If they wasnt so tight and pay like they sould they might could get some help...booo whoooo

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